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		<title>By: cwilso</title>
		<link>http://cwilso.com/2008/08/13/happy-to-see-harmony/#comment-150</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@JeromeLapointe - In short, I wasn&#039;t asked.  That sounds bitter, and TOTALLY not - I&#039;m a little burned out on travel right at the moment.  But I did get to sit on the Web 2.0 Expo panel with Brendan and Ojan from Google, moderated by Dion and Ben Galbraith, and that was (seriously) fun.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JeromeLapointe &#8211; In short, I wasn&#8217;t asked.  That sounds bitter, and TOTALLY not &#8211; I&#8217;m a little burned out on travel right at the moment.  But I did get to sit on the Web 2.0 Expo panel with Brendan and Ojan from Google, moderated by Dion and Ben Galbraith, and that was (seriously) fun.</p>
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		<title>By: JeromeLapointe</title>
		<link>http://cwilso.com/2008/08/13/happy-to-see-harmony/#comment-147</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JeromeLapointe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Totaly unrelated but since you are mentioning Dion Almaer and Brendan Eich it reminded me... I was hoping to see you at the Boston Ajax Experience conference... especially seeing as you guys are releasing IE8 this year... I was saddened to see you do not appear as a panelist in any of the talks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totaly unrelated but since you are mentioning Dion Almaer and Brendan Eich it reminded me&#8230; I was hoping to see you at the Boston Ajax Experience conference&#8230; especially seeing as you guys are releasing IE8 this year&#8230; I was saddened to see you do not appear as a panelist in any of the talks.</p>
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		<title>By: SvenC</title>
		<link>http://cwilso.com/2008/08/13/happy-to-see-harmony/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SvenC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Chris, the key sequences in my previous post (&quot;Click +&quot;) got blocked. It is &quot;zoom out&quot; or ctrl- which shows the content &quot;offscreen&quot; down under the &quot;normal&quot; page area.
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SvenC]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris, the key sequences in my previous post (&#8220;Click +&#8221;) got blocked. It is &#8220;zoom out&#8221; or ctrl- which shows the content &#8220;offscreen&#8221; down under the &#8220;normal&#8221; page area.<br />
&#8211;<br />
SvenC</p>
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		<title>By: SvenC</title>
		<link>http://cwilso.com/2008/08/13/happy-to-see-harmony/#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SvenC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Chris, several msdn library pages don&#039;t display correctly with IE 8 Beta 2. Here is an example: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc294738.aspx
The content part is empty. Click + a few times and you see that the content is displayed &quot;offscreen&quot; below the normal page boundaries (don&#039;t know how to explain better - you should see when you try)
I use Windows Server 2008 x64. I had no IE beta on this machine. I tried Tools-&gt;Options-&gt;Advanced : &quot;Restore advanced settings&quot; and &quot;Reset&quot; - restarted IE, no change.
I was so overwhelmed with beta 2 but without MSDN library this is hard for a developer.

If you can reproduce this, please forward this &quot;bug report&quot; to the devs in question.

Thanks,
SvenC]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris, several msdn library pages don&#8217;t display correctly with IE 8 Beta 2. Here is an example: <a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc294738.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc294738.aspx</a><br />
The content part is empty. Click + a few times and you see that the content is displayed &#8220;offscreen&#8221; below the normal page boundaries (don&#8217;t know how to explain better &#8211; you should see when you try)<br />
I use Windows Server 2008 x64. I had no IE beta on this machine. I tried Tools-&gt;Options-&gt;Advanced : &#8220;Restore advanced settings&#8221; and &#8220;Reset&#8221; &#8211; restarted IE, no change.<br />
I was so overwhelmed with beta 2 but without MSDN library this is hard for a developer.</p>
<p>If you can reproduce this, please forward this &#8220;bug report&#8221; to the devs in question.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
SvenC</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch 74</title>
		<link>http://cwilso.com/2008/08/13/happy-to-see-harmony/#comment-126</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mitch 74]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@bill: I don&#039;t think this is the right place to complain about ye accidental IE bug - broader questions about IE development are already there.

Moreover, this may not be a bug, but a different setting on HTTP file transfer timeout between the two browsers; MSDN may already contain a workaround for IE.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bill: I don&#8217;t think this is the right place to complain about ye accidental IE bug &#8211; broader questions about IE development are already there.</p>
<p>Moreover, this may not be a bug, but a different setting on HTTP file transfer timeout between the two browsers; MSDN may already contain a workaround for IE.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
		<link>http://cwilso.com/2008/08/13/happy-to-see-harmony/#comment-124</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I upload files larger than 1MB on virustotal.com or on https://www.microsoft.com/security/portal/submit.aspx 
the upload always fails and I have to retry a lot of times!
With Firefox everything works fine.
I think there&#039;s a bug in IE7.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I upload files larger than 1MB on virustotal.com or on <a href="https://www.microsoft.com/security/portal/submit.aspx" rel="nofollow">https://www.microsoft.com/security/portal/submit.aspx</a><br />
the upload always fails and I have to retry a lot of times!<br />
With Firefox everything works fine.<br />
I think there&#8217;s a bug in IE7.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Michaux</title>
		<link>http://cwilso.com/2008/08/13/happy-to-see-harmony/#comment-121</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Michaux]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hopefully IE9 will included some of the new features in JavaScript 1.6-1.8 like function expressions, let, array extras, etc as well as support for the standard DOM like addEventListner. Developers have been asking Microsoft for standard DOM support for years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully IE9 will included some of the new features in JavaScript 1.6-1.8 like function expressions, let, array extras, etc as well as support for the standard DOM like addEventListner. Developers have been asking Microsoft for standard DOM support for years.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch 74</title>
		<link>http://cwilso.com/2008/08/13/happy-to-see-harmony/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mitch 74]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice! Thanks for pointing this out.

I think the biggest problem and source of uproar was caused by Microsoft not saying anything for a year about ES4 (on hindsight, it appeared to have been by a missed passing of the torch process) then suddenly coming and saying &#039;ES4 is no good, we&#039;ll develop ES3.1 independently&#039;.

On one hand, there was a TC developing a very ambitious (visibly too ambitious) ES4 specification, and on the other hand MS merely fixing their (sorry, that&#039;s unfortunately true) outdated ES3.0 compliant engine...

I&#039;d say that the fight was bad, but the result was good:
 - the TC will create a workable ECMAscript solution
 - MS will comply with a more recent ECMAscript revision

On a side note, is it possible to update JScript to make it support MIME-types like &#039;application/ecmascript&#039; with a newer version? This could even be used to enable a better compatibility approach:
 - if legacy &#039;text/javascript&#039; is used, use current Jscript
 - if correct &#039;application/ecmascript&#039; is used, use newer (or user installed, like SpiderMonkey, if I&#039;m not mistaken) engine.

Could we get a little overview about what is being considered?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice! Thanks for pointing this out.</p>
<p>I think the biggest problem and source of uproar was caused by Microsoft not saying anything for a year about ES4 (on hindsight, it appeared to have been by a missed passing of the torch process) then suddenly coming and saying &#8216;ES4 is no good, we&#8217;ll develop ES3.1 independently&#8217;.</p>
<p>On one hand, there was a TC developing a very ambitious (visibly too ambitious) ES4 specification, and on the other hand MS merely fixing their (sorry, that&#8217;s unfortunately true) outdated ES3.0 compliant engine&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say that the fight was bad, but the result was good:<br />
 &#8211; the TC will create a workable ECMAscript solution<br />
 &#8211; MS will comply with a more recent ECMAscript revision</p>
<p>On a side note, is it possible to update JScript to make it support MIME-types like &#8216;application/ecmascript&#8217; with a newer version? This could even be used to enable a better compatibility approach:<br />
 &#8211; if legacy &#8216;text/javascript&#8217; is used, use current Jscript<br />
 &#8211; if correct &#8216;application/ecmascript&#8217; is used, use newer (or user installed, like SpiderMonkey, if I&#8217;m not mistaken) engine.</p>
<p>Could we get a little overview about what is being considered?</p>
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		<title>By: TheDaniel</title>
		<link>http://cwilso.com/2008/08/13/happy-to-see-harmony/#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TheDaniel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s hope it&#039;ll become a perpetual harmony :)
I&#039;ve read some discussions about ES4 vs. ES3.1 and they were not very nice. When I see what Microsoft is currently doing for CSS in Internet Explorer 8, I hope Internet Explorer 9 will not only see a shiny DOM implementation, but also serve as a milestone for the new ECMAScript.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s hope it&#8217;ll become a perpetual harmony <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I&#8217;ve read some discussions about ES4 vs. ES3.1 and they were not very nice. When I see what Microsoft is currently doing for CSS in Internet Explorer 8, I hope Internet Explorer 9 will not only see a shiny DOM implementation, but also serve as a milestone for the new ECMAScript.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://cwilso.com/2008/08/13/happy-to-see-harmony/#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hyperlink no-workie]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hyperlink no-workie</p>
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